Working Capital The Real Estate Podcast

Mastering Productivity with Jordan Harbinger|EP7

Jun 9, 2020

In This Episode

Jordan Harbinger has hosted a Top 50 iTunes podcast for over 12 years and receives over five million downloads per month, making The Jordan Harbinger Show one of the most popular podcasts in the world and awarded  “Best of 2018” podcasts and is one of the “Most Downloaded New Shows” of the year by Apple. On The Jordan Harbinger Show, Jordan interviews the most successful people on earth, critical thinking and shares their strategies, perspectives, and practical insights.

In this episode, we talked about how he started in the podcast, how he transitioned as a Wall Street attorney to teaching networking skills and how to date, eventually starting a podcast that talks about relationships, self-improvement, stories, secrets, and skills of the world’s most brilliant and interesting people. He also shared how he manages his time and still being productive, his memorable episode guests, his future plans and many MORE!



  • “At the end of the day, you have to find something you truly enjoy.”
  • “You just have to find a system and stick with it, be consistent and that’s easier said than done but it comes with practice and you’re never going to get it if you’re one of those people who’s only trying to do it when they think they need it.”
  • “I’m not really going to get any further with this unless I really focus on it.”


Resources and Links:

The Jordan Harbinger Show

Jordan Harbinger Twitter

Jordan Harbinger Youtube channel



Jesse (1s):

Welcome to the Working Capital The Real Estate Podcast. My name is Jesse Fragale. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you’re looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let’s build that portfolio one square foot at a time. Hello? Hello. Hello. Welcome back to Working. Capital The Real Estate Podcast. We have a tremendous show for you today. I interviewed mr. Jordan Harbinger and if you don’t know who that is, you might be living under a rock, but he is the creator of the Jordan Harbinger Show, which he received 6 million downloads every month and was awarded Apple’s Best of 2018, which makes it, I believe at that time, the most Downloaded show of the year, the mission of the show is to help you become a better and form critical thinker.

Jesse (51s):

We talked about a wide array of things Jordan is incredible. You should definitely check him out. He is interviewed such a crazy Rolodex of people ranging from people like Malcolm Gladwell to the late Koby Bryant, just a tremendous guy in general. So this week we’re changing it up a little, not so much about real estate. So if anybody’s interested in self development, whether that’s taking your business to the next level or just your interpersonal relationships, this is a great episode and hope you enjoy it. Ladies and gentlemen, I have mr. Jordan Harbinger on the show today. Jordan how you doing today?

Jordan (1m 21s):

Okay. Thanks for having me on, man. I appreciate it.

Jesse (1m 23s):

So aside from kind of the intro, I just went through here, you know, we talked, I believe about two months ago, just in regard to, you know, the Podcast that you have and you know, how long I’ve been listening to it. And part of that was, you know, discussing how long you’ve been in this space. It seems like you’ve been in this space, you know, before it was quote unquote. Cool. And just to kind of go over some of the names that, you know, I’ve seen on the Show over the years, I’ll just list out a couple of year, cause it really is amazing. Some of the ones I thought were, were memorable for me, you know, you had Malcolm Gladwell on Jacko, Willa, Dennis Rodman, a Kobe Bryant, a doctor drew, Simon cynic, and one of my favorite Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Jesse (2m 6s):

So I mean, that’s an amazing Rolodex and you could just in researching this, you could just go on and on, on this list. So maybe for the listeners that if for some reason they don’t know who you are or your podcast, you could kind of back up a little in and talk about how you kind of got into the space originally and how that, you know, 12, 13 year journey has been, you know, over time.

Jordan (2m 29s):

Sure. So I originally got in this space because I was a wall street attorney and I was realizing pretty quickly that everybody out on wall street was a pretty smart and a hard worker. And that is one of those two things has always been my competitive advantage. You know, it was always like, Oh, I can not work everyone because they’re all drinking in college. So I, you know, M I’m the only one who is going to study for 16 hours a day, not the only one, one of the only ones is going to study for 16 hours a day. So I was able to outwork them. But once you get to wall street and everyone’s working 12 hours a day, seven days a week, 16 hours a day, seven days a week, whatever it is you realize through the window for me to be able to outwork people is pretty slim. And a lot of these people are, they have more natural talent or are better able to focus for long periods of time, that kind of thing.

Jordan (3m 12s):

So I was really, really careful and I realized I’m probably going to get fired at some point, right? They’re going to go, why has this guy here, who is the weak link? You know, what’s the market slows down, whatever I’m going to be one of the first to go. So I wanted to find another competitive advantage. And what I learned from one of the partners was that the competitive advantage he had was that he was bringing in business for the firm. And I thought I needed to learn how to do that. So of course I asked him and his advice was like, Oh, just be cool. You know, I get to know as many people as you can. And I thought if I could just be cool, do you think I’d have gone to law school? And no, I would have done something else. Just be cool is like, non-actionable advice that I would have done in first grade if I’d had the ability to do so.

Jordan (3m 55s):

So that didn’t work. And then I realized, you know, I’m, I’m not really going to get any further with this unless I really focus at it. So I started taking those like Dale Carnegie classes where they’re like, Hey, you know, this is how you memorize people’s names and look them in the eye and have a firm handshake. And I, I took those and they were okay, but I realized, you know, if somebody doesn’t give me a million dollar law deal, is it because I didn’t have a firm handshake? Is it because I didn’t have, I didn’t look them in the I for 3.5 seconds, you know, one, what is it? That’s not really the case, that stuff you tell people that are so remedial that they are afraid to like introduce themselves in a group of 12 or standup in front of room and do a little talk.

Jordan (4m 38s):

I wasn’t, at that point, I was, I was further along than that in my career, so to speak. And that, to me meant that I had to start from the basics. So I started really backing up the truck and devouring psychology and influence and persuasion and reading things that were building blocks. Like Cialdini’s book Robert Cialdini’s book about influence and persuasion. I’m taking courses from places where I’m not even supposed to necessarily be taking a class like some class for police officers about how they handle informant’s and interrogation and all that stuff. And, you know, trying to sort of get into those types of situations. That stuff was really, really useful for me because I realized pretty quickly that if somebody didn’t give me a million dollar law, do you feel like if a Goldman Sachs investment banker wasn’t tossing my from a million dollar law deal, it probably wasn’t because I didn’t have a firm handshake.

Jordan (5m 34s):

And it certainly wasn’t because of something, some guy in a sweater vest at the Y YMCA, he told me about it was because they were building blocks and other things that were missing, but I really needed to work on. So starting from the ground up, I started working on that and I started to teach those skills to my fellow lawyers at law school before I even graduated, not because I’d had done an internship or the wall street firm. And that’s where I got the idea that I was in deep do-do. So I started teaching these to lawyers thinking that this is so key. We need these skills. All the professors say, we need the networking skills. You know, let’s, let’s figure out how to teach this. And everybody else will be better prepared as well. Well, so I started to do that and nobody cared at all except for a small group of women.

Jordan (6m 15s):

And I was wondering why that was for a long time. And as it turned out guys, or a male lawyers, I should say at my school at that particular time, cause I don’t want to throw everyone into a bucket. They were saying essentially some version of, I don’t really need this. I’m just going to work hard. And I know that if I work hard, I’ll make partner. And then I don’t have to worry about this networking thing. But a lot of the women were like, this is kind of a boys club and I need to learn everything that I can add. And they didn’t have an ego around learning these skills. So I started teaching a lot of the female law students, these skills, and there were, they were guys there, but it was like a 10 to one ratio. And then I started, I said, look, if it’s just going to be you and I, all of these, all these women and myself, why don’t we just do this at a bar?

Jordan (6m 59s):

Because half the time we go to the room where I’m supposed to teach to this class and the door is locked, when we got to walk around and we got to go to a Starbuck’s, we get three tables that are why’d too far apart on teaching the class. It was just a huge panic said, let’s just go to a bar bars or not that crowded around 4:00 PM on a S or 5:00 PM. You no, in a college town. Well, it depends. Yeah. We didn’t go to the Irish pub or to the fancier ones and nobody, nobody went to except for the The grownups. And I started teaching there and then the guys would say, Hey, man, I see you here with like 20 women, five nights a week, what’s going on? And I’m like, Oh, teaching the networking class. So those guys started rolling around and then the conversation started to turn to dating and relationships. Cause that’s what a lot of the people were really interested in.

Jordan (7m 39s):

And it just inevitably went there. Cause we were talking about body language, nonverbal communication, eye contact, all kinds of different things. So people were like, well, how do I use this for this? Not just stuff at work. So that evolved into me having it, the same conversation or a similar conversation over and over and over again. And I started burning them to see di the conversation’s recording him to bring him the CD because someone new would show up on Wednesday and I’d have to repeat Monday, Tuesday in brief. And everyone else is like, Aw man, you should have shown up earlier. He had to get this. And then finally one of the people was like, you know what, why don’t you put these files on the internet? And I thought, that’s a good idea. There’s really no way to do that right now. And a couple of months later, my, my buddy who had suggested it said, you know, there’s this new thing called God cast it and you can upload an MPP the file and then put it in iTunes and people can download it and sing it to their iPod.

Jordan (8m 30s):

And I thought that’s a really good idea that way when people say, Hey, T tell me in what you were talking about before, we can point them to this really basic WordPress website and we’re good to go. And that was a really promising idea. So we did that. We didn’t think it was going to turn into like a show and a livelihood and a training company. We just thought this is a really good way for us to put something online that we don’t have. So I don’t have to carry CD’s in my pocket. And, and you know, that was, that was a big deal because that actually turned out to be the Genesis of what is now the Jordan Harbinger show. And we, man that was 2006. That’s crazy.

Jordan (9m 10s):

So it was just such an early sort of serendipitous dip dive into this pool. And I thought, Oh, I’m going to be a lawyer. I’m not really going to be doing this, but I just enjoyed the show so much that I kept doing. It kept doing it, kept doing it. And was when I moved to New York and worked on wall street after law school, I was moonlighting on Sirius XM, satellite radio, doing this same show, you know, and it was, it was just a hell of a lot of fun. I mean, it became a career. And I realized, I sort of almost missed my calling by going to law school and doing this. Like if I had to do it over again, I’d probably just, would’ve gone to broadcasting school has been done.

Jesse (9m 42s):

Yeah, for sure. Well, there’s, there’s a couple of things there first, you know, you just give me the image of looking at my CD case in high school, where you just see it rip CDs with Pearl jam and various artists on. So that, that takes me back a bit. The second thing to do is, you know, working in commercial real estate, I I’ve seen the same thing with, ah, you know, the boys club in how you do you see some of the guys’ just like, ah, work hard and it will, everything will work it. So a cellphone, sometimes that’s a case. Oftentimes it’s not what you said, something, I dunno if it was a recent podcast I’m and it talked a little bit about creating a podcast and kind of doing it as a side hustle. And I thought it was interesting that, you know, we’re now in this space in kind of during this lockdown.

Jesse (10m 22s):

And I started a podcast after doing videos as a contributor for the bigger pockets. And I found the same thing. People would ask me the same things over and over again. And I found that, you know, the Podcast I got to talk to interesting people. I learned, ah, just as much as the audience learns. So I started at during or a story. I started releasing episodes during Corona virus and it was probably a weekend. So people just assume like, Oh Jesse, you know, during coronavirus, you just started a podcast on what they didn’t see was no, no, no. That was like 10, 15 episodes banked. I started this, you know, months ago. And that’s specifically on a, on one of the shows you talked about how a lot of people and this isn’t just in podcasting, don’t really look at, you know, they look at, I want to have this Podcast, but they don’t look at all of the, you know, what it takes the, you know, whether it’s the equipment, figuring out how you’re going to upload.

Jesse (11m 12s):

And what would you say to people that, you know, they get those ideas, but then there was no execution on it. You, you just don’t, you don’t realize how much it takes. And then you oftentimes these things fizzle out. I think there was some stat where, ah, how many times a Podcast gets abandoned and that’s often times like any project that we do in our lives. So, you know, what can you do do that? If you do have something you think it’s special too, kind of see it through ’em, you know, take it, take it too to fruition.

Jordan (11m 42s):

Well, I mean, at the end of the day, you have to find something, you truly enjoy it. Cause there’s only so much hammering in a square peg through the round hole that you can do that said I’m, I’m a planner in many ways, in a, in some ways I’m not like in ridiculous weighs. I’m not where it will be like flying by the seat of my pants from some things. And people are like, you’re insane. But then other things where a lot of people would never plan, I probably tend to over plan. So I’ll, I’ll throw this out there, but I will say that the majority of what I, there’s a reason people say, Jordan you get more done in a week than most people do in a month. And it’s because I plan my day in 15 minute blocks, I use apps like to do list to track tasks. So I never have to spend cognitive bandwidth being like, what was that thing I was going to do?

Jordan (12m 25s):

It’s always like, boom, this is what’s scheduled for right now. This is what’s getting done right now. And then I’ll have a block that just has to do is our tasks and it’ll be an hour or two long. And then I’ve got 20 things that I got to do and to do it. So when I knocked down in as many as possible, so I’m not that person that has 800 backed up emails because I do 30 or 40 a day, depending on the day. And they’re blocked off. So the time is there because th what a lot of people do that I noticed as they go, Oh yeah, I’ve got to do that tomorrow. And they put all this stuff in there and they have like work 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM. What do you mean work? What are you going to do? They spent a bunch of time looking around. They procrastinated on something else. They decided to dive into a project. Then they see that part gets hard. And then they go eat lunch.

Jordan (13m 6s):

They come back and they go, Oh, I got some email, Oh, I don’t want to answer most of these. They skip those. They go to the easy emails or the other ones back up along with the other 400 that are in their, and then one day they’re like stuck at an airport lounge when they go, Oh, I guess I’ll go through my email. And they spend three hours doing that. And it’s a painful process and they hate it and they can’t wait to never do it again. And then three, four months go by and then they have to rinse and repeat that whole process. I don’t have that. You know, I do 10 of those start hard to as annoying project-based emails everyday I do 20, 30 fan mails everyday. I do 20 to 30 LinkedIn messages everyday. And people are like, doesn’t that take time? It sure does. But it takes a hell of a lot less time and frustration than trying to spend an entire Saturday clearing out your inbox because there’s opportunities there that you’ve missed and that are expired.

Jordan (13m 52s):

And now you look like an idiot because you haven’t responded to somebody three or four times for this other thing that you ask them four. And now, you know, like you have to be really careful about that. So consistency for me and forming good habits has been crucial. And people will say like, how did you build a Show to the size 6 million downloads a month inside of a year after you left your another one? And it’s one it’s creating good content, but two it’s making sure that they eat the elephant one bite at a time where most people are thinking, Oh, I’ve seen to do list that have things on it. They say like, write book you meet. Are you kidding me? Yeah. That’s like a multiyear long project. And it’s an, it’s a bullet point on it to do list. And you haven’t resolved any time for it.

Jordan (14m 32s):

If it’s on my calendar, it gets done. And if it’s not on my calendar, it doesn’t get done. Unless something weird happens. Like, you know, I got an interview with you and you say, Hey, I’m stuck in traffic. I got, I got a punt. I’m at an airport lounge, stuck on tarmac. Great. I’ve got an extra 30 minutes time. I’ll probably just dive into my tasks though for that day, not just wander around the internet, aimlessly, like everything has to get planned and done at a certain time. And the beauty of this is when you plan that stuff and then you decide to punt on something or put something else in their, you only have so many hours in the day visibly represented on that calendar. So if you say, Oh, I’m on a phone call and it’s going to be 15 minutes, but it lasts half an hour. You have to adjust that time slot because otherwise you’re not going to be able to push everything else.

Jordan (15m 16s):

And eventually it pushes things down in what it does is it teaches you to stop procrastinating on a lot of things. Because if you move that half hour phone call, you don’t just say, I’ll do it later. You go click drag and you go, Oh shoot. Now I’m working until 10:30 PM or just do it tomorrow. Cool. Drag it over to tomorrow. Oh, I don’t have any free time tomorrow. I can’t do this. So then you start to teach yourself, do it. When you say you’re going to do it or don’t do it at all. And it, that does two things. One, it gets you to do it. You say you are going to do. And it gets you say no too. A hell of a lot of things you should be saying no to, you know, I used to say yes to everything and that it was like, oops, I didn’t get any work done this week.

Jordan (15m 57s):

Cause I’m on 78 other shows and flying here to give a talk for peanuts and that I’m doing this charity thing over there. And then I said yes to lunch with, for people that I don’t really need to be having lunch with. You know, I hear about this a lot. So saying know has been really useful, but it’s really hard when you think about it, it’s easier when you go, I literally can’t do this. You know, you got, you throw your hands in the air to go. I literally don’t even have time next week to have lunch. I can’t say yes. And you feel less guilty because you are not just blowing someone off. If you look at our calendar and you go to,

Jesse (16m 31s):

Can do. Yeah. Does it fit? Yeah. I’ve heard a relatively recently. Somebody is saying, you know, just the term that you don’t have the capacity right now, just, you know, we have seen, or I’ve seen in, in kind of our business that people that are just very, very, it’s very difficult for them to say no I’m and kind of getting over that when you’re you’re right. There’s, there’s a situation where you should say no, umm, but this kind of concept, I always see this dichotomy between, you know, people that say, you know, you’re a slave to your calendar are people that are, that are over planners. You don’t, you know, you don’t live life loosely or in that scene. And a negative light where I I’ve see the flip side and like yourself, I’m very much a planner and goal setter, goal setter that I see it completely.

Jesse (17m 13s):

They opposite that once I do kind of make plans like this, it does free me up to do the things that I really care about doing as opposed to things that I, no, it shouldn’t be doing it.

Jordan (17m 23s):

It’s true. You, when you, instead of saying, I don’t have time when that might be what you mean, you can also say, I don’t have, I’m not going to prioritize that. I’m not telling, I’m not telling you to say to your friends, that’s a priority. You’re not a priority. You can say, I don’t really have time or I don’t have the capacity for that. But when you’re saying something to yourself, do you have to be really careful not to lie to yourself? Because a lot of times you’ll say, Oh, I just don’t have time to keep up with my friends. Will you? You’re just chose to make a lot of time doing. I mean, we all have friends like this or maybe we don’t, but I certainly do do or did. I’ve got friends who I haven’t seen in forever. And I go, what are you doing? I’m like, I’m so busy. I’m so busy. I’m so busy. And I go, yeah, I understand that.

Jordan (18m 5s):

But then I look on their social media. I’m like this, this guy’s posted 12 times this week. And everything was about a new series. They watched on Hulu and Quimby and Netflix. So they have time. They just deprioritize their social life in exchange for television. Is this the type of person I actually want in my life? They clearly don’t really value my friendship that much. It’s not like their job as in TV, you know? Or it works. You get a contractor working for you or an employee working for you. They just don’t have time working so hard. I don’t have time to get this done. Sorry, this project’s taking a month where it should have taken three days and you go, Hmm. And then again, you look at their social media or something like that.

Jordan (18m 46s):

And you see, Oh, I see you’re caught up on just nonsense 13 different cereals, but your just not getting it done. I know what work from home looks like for you. So you have to be very careful about how you do this for yourself, because I know a lot of people that would lie to themselves and I used to be one of them where you just don’t have time. How do people do it? I don’t know. There’s an amount of hours in the day. And then somebody told me track. When you start work, stop, work, and put everything on a calendar. And it was like, Oh, I’m wake up at nine 30. Cause I’m 29. And that’s still not totally ridiculous. Get up mosey around, check some social media, go to the gym, come back, shower up.

Jordan (19m 26s):

But it’s lunchtime, eat lunch. Do a couple of hours of work. Feel really guilty about it. Do a couple more hours of work may be if you’re lucky at five o’clock, my friends are calling me. They want to go do something. Oh man, I never really did that much work yesterday. I’ve only got three for hours of work in a rinse and repeat. But when you look at average, Productivity too a, of a, an employee and it’s like, most people get like five hours have things done per day. I get like 10 and that’s because everything’s planned out and I don’t allow for distraction. And I set my lifestyle environment up to avoid it. I don’t have a TV running in the background. I’m not checking email mindlessly. You know, I don’t post on social media or check it mindlessly. It’s always scheduled what?

Jordan (20m 6s):

And when that clock runs out.

Jesse (20m 7s):

Yeah. Well you probably get pushed back to when you ask somebody, you know, go ahead and track it. You know, most times you, you know, the average person doesn’t want to track things for fear of actually figuring out what, what that will reveal. And I think that goes for all my working out. That goes for diet. Totally. Yeah.

Jordan (20m 22s):

The diet for sure is one that, that a lot people don’t want to do. You want to know? Yeah. I don’t wanna know. And, and people go, here’s the common objection. I get work with time. They go, Oh, I only have like two things tomorrow. I mean, I can keep that up here, have a call it three and a of a call it four and it’s really easy. And if you go, wait, we’ll wait, do you have a call at three? You have a call before those are your two meetings tomorrow, but what are you going to do in the morning? Oh, you know, I’m just going to work on stuff. Will wait, what the hell does that mean? And so whenever I’ve write a book, kind of get

Jesse (20m 49s):

Yeah. Write books.

Jordan (20m 50s):

Yeah. Whenever I help people sort of figure this stuff out. I’m like, what is your Workday really look like? And it’s usually some variation of get up whenever, go to the gym whenever, eat whenever, check some email, check some social media. Maybe eventually stop procrastinating, dive into a project, hit the first tiniest bit of resistance for that project. Find another distraction. Pat self on back for doing six hours of work that day. Even though you didn’t do Jack to move your project forward and then go, how do people get so much done? And I see this with even professionals. Like I see it even with like doctors will do this and they’re like, so behind, how are you behind? You’re a professional. You have no excuse at all to be behind on certain things.

Jordan (21m 33s):

And now that I’ve a 10 month old and I’m like, okay, people with kids it’s harder, but it’s still very doable. Very possible. Some of this I think comes from me being an attorney, having to bill in six minute increments. Yeah. You don’t have the luxury of going. I’m not sure what happened between one and two guests that did some work. Why do you mean you did some work for which client, what were you doing? Is it in the software? If not guess who’s not getting paid for it. Which means no bonus, you know like, no, no, no, no. My I re I know you can look at my calendar from when I was in an attorney and you can find out when I take it.

Jesse (22m 5s):

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know what, that’s a good segue. Just being mindful of the time here, but just to a segue into kind of the environment we’re in right now, where if somebody says, I don’t have the time, it’s kind of like, do you know, we’re, we’re all shut down. And you told me that you got laid off last week or, you know, so this time right now, I’m just curious what your thoughts are. First of all, if, if the people that you talk to write now, if you’re finding this has been a challenging time for Productivity I’m in secondly, more boat, kind of the tool kit of, of getting work done. You know, I’ve always liked kind of the sprints, the Pomodoro type of style of doing 25 minutes sprint, a 30 minute sprint, depending on the task at hand. But what would you say is, is kind of the tool kit during this time that you’ve found that’s most effective for most people?

Jesse (22m 49s):

You know,

Jordan (22m 50s):

It’s, it’s tough because there are a lot of people that do like the Pomodoro technique where you work for 20 minutes or something like that. I am okay. Just booking an hour long Slott to do stuff. Cuz I think maybe a little bit more, I don’t know if it’s focused, but I certainly have a lot more energy than I think a lot of people do. Some of that is for sure, because I’m so used to working at home. I mean, right now a lot of people are going through it at home and they’re like, how do people focus? And that I feel for those people because I’ve been working for home for 13, 14 years now. And I S like I said before, I certainly was not like, Oh, work from home, easy peasy.

Jordan (23m 32s):

It took me like two years to be remotely productive, productive from home. Before that, I think I kind of just dicked around a bunch. Like I said, go to the gym, eat lunch, do whatever. I think you really should plan out if an hour is too long, do that, do that to bought it or whatever. He call you a Pomodoro and set the 20 minute timer, take a 10 minute break. If you have like focus issues, it’s all good. The question is only what works for you. Like I know that’s a cliche, but there’s so many people, there’s so many people that just can’t decide on a Productivity strategy. So they’re kicking the can down the road with it. I like to book my day out in 15 minute blocks.

Jordan (24m 12s):

That doesn’t mean every appointment has 15 minutes. If it means that every 15 minutes slot is booked, there’s not like a random gap’s in there. That’s works for me. If you want to book half an hour and 20 minute of that is the task and 10 minutes that, that has the word great. But like you said, you really need two. You really need to keep it timed because I could tell you from experience it, it’s very, very easy, very easy to go ahead and say, I’m going to take a 10 minute break. And then you kind of shake it off a few minutes later and you go, what time is it? Oh, I lost half an hour. Or in YouTube rabbit holes, you got to use the timer and be really, really careful with it. If you have to have your calendar pop up those little reminders, every time a new appointment comes about then fine, you know, do that set 20 minute appointments every half hour.

Jordan (24m 59s):

And then when the little thing pops up, that’s his break, drop your pen or whatever. You just have to find a system and stick with it and be consistent. And that’s easier said than done, but it comes with practice and you’re never going to get it. If your, one of those people, who’s only trying to do it when they think they need it. I know a lot of people that go, Oh yeah, on days where I really need to focus, then I plan everything out. Cool. How’s that working for you? That’s like the marathon runner who goes, I haven’t been training, but when the marathon comes, that’s when I’m really just going to run. Okay. Let me know how, let me know how you fair budding for sure.

Jesse (25m 31s):

Well, we just have a couple minutes here. I kind of wanted to end off with, you know, you’ve, you’ve, like I said, at the kind of the top of the hour, you’ve interviewed so many amazing people and I just love to kind of hear your thoughts on it. Does anybody or any couple stick out as the most memorable over this, ah, over 10 year career in podcasting,

Jordan (25m 51s):

You know, there’s been a lot of really good ones, but I think Coby was pretty good. Kobe Bryant, how he meant Dell was interesting. Mike Rowe is always fun. Malcolm Gladwell, a Frank Abignail, who’s the inspiration for the movie. Catch me if you can. He he is really that that guy is really something interesting. Robert Green, the author, 48 laws of power, really, really solid. I’ve got a lot of pretty fun people. If not all, celebrity’s a lot of them are scientists, but I, you know, if I just mentioned somebody, you, as scientists, nobody has ever heard of

Jesse (26m 22s):

Was he is Neil deGrasse Tyson. And everybody’s like, ah, yeah, that guy is

Jordan (26m 25s):

And be able to grads Tyson. Sure. But not like a lot of the people I had an art forger on who never got caught.

Jesse (26m 31s):

Oh yeah. That’s true. Yeah. That was, that was really interesting. Yeah.

Jordan (26m 34s):

Super interesting guy. I mean, He, what’s funny about him was I got a letter from somebody with the same last name, but she was African American. He’s a, like an older white gentleman. And I said, Oh, how interesting do you have the same last name as one of the guests I had on the show. And she goes, Oh really? It’s a really rare, last name. I’m going to show a search or a site and check it out. And she checks the site and she goes, that’s my dad. He adopted me when I was young. And I said, well, your dad’s an art for a journey. He never got caught. And she’s like, I kind of knew,

Jesse (27m 4s):

Oh my God, I thought you were going to say she was impersonating her name. Or he stole her identity. I’m like, Oh man,

Jordan (27m 10s):

It would have been, that would have been something extra. No, no, no, no. He just happened to adopt this, this young lady when she was a baby at the time from, I think like Ghana. Wow. And she’s like, I knew my dad was an artist and I knew he had done some shady sort of stuff, but I never heard him tell the story. And I was like, congrats. So it was really cool. Kind of a cool small world moment because what are the odds when you’re in art forgery and you don’t do any media that some random Podcast are give to interview for you and your daughter just happens to be a fan of this show, but what are the odds of that

Jesse (27m 40s):

A credible man? Well, listen, Jordan I really appreciate you coming on today. You know, maybe we could just leave off with, you know, telling maybe about what’s next for Jordan Harbinger or that Jordan Harbinger show. And I assume people can reach you by typing your name into Google. We don’t have to go through the whole yeah. Anyways, it will be linked to the show notes, but yet in terms of what’s next for the show next for yourself? I know you’re I believe you’re learning Mandarin right now. Still during COVID.

Jordan (28m 7s):

Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been learning Mandarin for seven years. I love it. It keeps my brain sharp or plastic or whatever the analogy is here. I also invest heavily in I’m going to be investing heavily in Show growth, which has something I’d never really been able to do, which has really cool, really exciting to grow the Podcast in a way that’s a little bit more predictable than just going on Shows and being like, hopefully that works. We also are. I have a 10 month old babies, so that’s keeping everybody pretty busy and we’re building a house. So those are some personal updates, but they also blend into the business. Cause of course the new houses going to have a new studio and we’ve got some great guests lined up and things like that. But right now we have 6 million downloads a month and I’m hoping that by the end of the year, or at least by the end of may be next year, we’re approaching closer to 10.

Jordan (28m 55s):

So it’s going to be tricky, but look, that’s what business is. And for me, I just love the process. I love the conversations and I hope that people who listen to you are primed to check out the Jordan Harbinger Show cause I’d love to hear what they think.

Jesse (29m 10s):

My guest today has been Jordan Harbinger Jordan thanks for coming on the show.

Jordan (29m 13s):

Thanks for having me on man. I appreciate it.

Jesse (29m 18s):

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